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Date: Sun Dec 31 9:12 PM, 2006
Ayurveda and Allopathy combined Research
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I came across this interesting article from economic times india about how AIIMS -All India Institute of Medical Sciences and an Ayurvedic hospital are collaborating to find a cure for KC


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/806253.cms


 


The Ayurvedic Hospital in India has been treating KC for a long time, its the only hospital using Ayurveda for ophtalmology.


http://www.sreedhareeyam.com/


 


Ayurveda is alternative medicine, for more info read


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurveda


I have family in India and and my father is a surgeon, so am going to ask them to personally contact them and see how they are treating this there .


As a personal opinion the good thing of Ayurveda is if it doesnt help you it cannot harm you and there are no side effects.


 



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Heath,
I do not think it will do.. sorry...I have a diffferent point of view.Let me explain myself. People are born with different qualities; Some of them are completely independent of genes and are distributed randomly. For example, if you measure the height acrross the whole population of human beings, you will see that it fits, I think, a so called "norlmal" or "gausian" distributin or something like that: the majority are in the middle, some are very high, some are very small. If you measure some other properties across the population you'll see that for example muscular strength is disdtributed in about the same way. The strengh of bonds - the same, etc. Now measure the density of natural crosslinks in human corneas. And you will find the same pattern: majority are in the middel, some have more, some have less. We, by Nature, not by genes, are those who have less. The lesser quantity of the crosslinks renders our corneas weaker than the average. But the influence of the environment is the same. For example, eye blinking is the environment, and it is about the same. All people blink, tuch their eyes, experience different influences of the environment. Now, inside corneas there are cells, keratocytes, that feel that action. They are programmed by nature, in all human beings, to feel and respond properly on that action with the aim to protect themselves, for they are living organisms. A simple pressure on the cornea is felt by them as a hostile action. They respond. How? They start to generate enzymes to destroy something that disturbs them. What disturbs them upon phisical pressure on the cornea? The extracellular matrix: proteoglycans, collagens, etc.etc. They are "naive" living organisms that happend to be present in our weak, by nature, corneas....There is no Ayurveda against that....well I do not believe it....

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Date: Mon Jan 1 9:16 PM, 2007
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@yarsky


Pardon my ignorance and lack of understanding, but I could not get anything out of what you posted, Please explain.


As for the posting I made, it was just news. They are going to start research on it, they have some kind of success already with ayurvedic medicine. In the future they are going to collaborate with allopathy and try to get better results. Its just a new research, not a solutionm, as of yet.


I hope that somebody finds a solution soon for KC, so that we dont have to go through all the transplants, xlinking and daily contact lens wear, and still just see our eyes degrading to the point of near blindness. It might be Ayurveda,Allopathy,homeopathy,accupuncture anything, if they are doing research on KC, amen to it.


 


 


 


 



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Heath, i have nothing against Ayurveda. It is a good spiritual practice and a way of living. But I personally believe that however well a KCer may master it, there will be no influence on the evolution of his KC....I simply do not see how it can reinforce naturally weak keratoconic corneas. And the cure of the KC, in my honest opinion, is a matter of corneal reinforcment. For only this may interrupt the positive feed back that takes place in a keratoconic cornea... I hold a theory that only Jan seems to appreciate here. It is a bit technical...Imagine two cups, one very rigid, one made out of soft plastic or kauchuk. You sqweez the first: the water inside will stay quiet, as if there is no pressure on the walls; Now sqweez the second: the water will get disturbed for the cup changes it's form upon the pressure. Now imagine you put two identical normal fishes in the cups. The first fish will be as quiet as if there is no pressure. The second fish will be terrified, will piss in the water out of fear and thus poison it. Now the cup is cornea; The fish - a keratocyte cell (these cells take only 1% of the corneal volume). And further on, rigid cup - normal cornea, kauchuk cup - keratoconic cornea. And the rigidity of a cup is a matter of pure chance: if it is normal, weeker or stronger is pure chance. The only way to keep the fish quiet is to render the kauchuk cup about as rigid as the first one.Can Ayurvedic practices do all that? Would be very glad if it could...

-- Edited by Yarsky at 13:48, 2007-01-02

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Thanks for the explanation yarsky. I understand what you are trying to say now. you have a very realistic approach to the problem. As for people like me who are new with not as much knowledge about the disease as of now, being optimistic is the only way and am happy that I hv you and other people on this forum for support.


The only optimism with this research is that they would somehow find a miraculous herb which could be combined with some allopathic medicine  to strengthen the cornea and better than that provide regression and flattening of the cone, so we all can shun lenses and see better with glasses at the least.


And with the existence of x-linking we know that strengthening has been achieved. So, I would speculate that there is a possibility of some herbal medicine which can do the same in a less painful way, maybe taking effect in a longer duration. But, then at this point its just mere speculation.


Ciao!!


 


 



-- Edited by Heath at 17:19, 2007-01-02

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Yeap, I've got the point, Heath. It may be. Let's hope.

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