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Date: Tue Jul 11 12:34 AM, 2006
RE: The World Cup!
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These are professional HIGHLY paid sportsmen... on field backchat between players is a common part of the game (these are not schoolboys). There is absolutely no justification for head butting an oppossing player in the chest.
An Italian player elbows an American player in the face and is red carded and sent off (as he should have been)... Zidane deserved exactly what he got (Hes a great player but this is football not Rugby :)).
The sign of true greatness is to rise above the pressure and to lead by example... Ali, unlike Tyson, never bit anyones ear off, Babe Ruth never filled his veins with steriods to reach the hights he did, there are great tennis players that dont have to smash their rachets into the court to win...
Whatever was said between the players should have been settled off the pitch. Zidane great as he is was not only playing for himself... he was playing for France.
The Italian team are also no strangers to controversial on field activity and to them Id say the same... Just play the game, violence is not a part of it.


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Date: Tue Jul 11 11:07 AM, 2006
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That's true, rules are strict. If you brake the rule you are sent off. Human beings brake rules. In different manners. I do not like the manner in which Materazzi brakes rules. It looks filthy. I prefer the way Zidan broke the rule.

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Date: Tue Jul 11 1:51 PM, 2006
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I agree, especially since Materazzi has a history of dirty play. And I agree with Quintrix that fifa should come down on verbal abuse on the field.
Zizou > Materazzi

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Date: Fri Jul 14 4:29 AM, 2006
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Anyone catch Zizou's interview yesterday? It was on tv and in papers.

Zidane apologised for his headbutt but said he did not regret his actions, alleging that Materazzi had insulted both his mother and sister.


In an Italian paper, Materazzi siad the he had insulted Zizou, but that the insults had nothing to do with his family, race, religion or politics.


Zizou said that Materazzi pulled on his shirt several times and Zizou told him that "we can swap shirts after the game", Zizou also said that "He [Materazzi] then pronounced very tough words, words that hurt me deeply, words about my mother and my sister. At first, I tried not to listen to him but he kept repeating them", and Zizou also said that he had not been called a terrorist by Materazzi.


So Iguess we know what happened to make Zizou act like that, but chances are we'll never know exactly what was said by Materazzi.



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Date: Fri Jul 14 5:48 AM, 2006
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Are people going to now call for players to be yellow carded for opening their mouths??? The type on language that is routinely used on the playing field I imagine is pretty harsh... you can't tell me that Zidane in all his playing years hasnt heard and seen it all.
He aplogized but showed no regret... what is that suppossed to mean? Materazzi deserved it?... if you take in his past history maybe he did. But in the course of that particular game Zidane lost control, he attacked another player and if he isnt punished then it sends a very bad signal. Who will be the next player to decide that maybe his opposition deserves a fist in the face?
What did make me laugh was the so called 'expert' lip readers who published that Materazzi had made racist comments... we know know this was untrue. But not before the majority of people made up their minds that provocation is reason enough for Zidanes actions. If Zidane was any other man we would not be having this conversation... if Cannavaro had headbutted Zidane they would be calling for his execution :)
Its just a foolish situation that is only going to get worse before it gets better.



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Date: Fri Jul 21 5:10 AM, 2006
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So now FIFA has made its verdict... they ban Zidane from three games and fine him (ok but this guy has retired so what sort of punishment is that?) ... he is fined 3,260 but wait, Materazzi is also fined 2,170 and suspended for two games??? Who is it that suffers most?
The Fifa statement said: "Both players stressed Materazzi's comments had been defamatory but not of a racist nature.".... so???
I guess this means that NO conversation is to be allowed between players... Its a joke.
The next time ANYTHING is said on the playing field are we to refer to this incedent?
It is obvious that Zidane overreacted... but again his 'god' status saved him. Materazzi is no saint but he has been punished for something that happens everyday, on any playing field, in any country... the EXPERT lip readers that put words in his mouth also scare me, these are the same experts that are used during legal trials???!!!
The lesson that this teaches: If someone offends you... attack!!!! Remember this is sport not life. Words that are said on the playing field are MENT to distract the other team... but it seems that now that has all changed.

Hari



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Date: Fri Jul 21 8:07 PM, 2006
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The lesson is: do not say ofensive words too loud, and do not repeat them several times, keep these words in reserve, do not play nasty tackles, straight legs, etc. This is the real lesson, imho. "Do-not-butt-your-offender-with-the-head" or "Do-butt-your-offender-with-the-head" is not the lesson.

-- Edited by Yarsky at 20:09, 2006-07-21

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Date: Sat Jul 22 9:53 AM, 2006
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The headbutt had nothing to do with the style of Materazzi's play... the fact that people may or may not like his aggressive play was not in question.
What I'm saying is that from now on any player or team has the grounds to ask for a ban or fine on another team or player based entirely on words exhanged on the pitch. Who is it that will decide what are the ok words and the not ok words? How many times can these words be said... are all players to start wearing microphones?

For example: The clear picture that this paints is that if my child is playing football at his school... and if there is a player on the opposing team that has played 'dirty football' in the past and if this player says something that my son takes offence to... then it is ok for my son to smash his head into this players chest?

Zidane was a very experienced player... over the many years he has played he must have seen and heard everything that can happen during play. In this case he lost control, reduced his team to ten men and was not able to use his famous skill during the penalty shootout. He was captain... team and country come first.

But its all over now :) Sport, politics and religion - all fantastic topics to fire up peoples passions :)

In this case we will just have to agree to disagree

Hari

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