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Date: Sat Feb 5 3:13 PM, 2005
RE: The TRUTH about Keratoconus
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Hy everybody.


I can confirm some of the things that has been written in this forum.


I have operated, with Mini ARK, several people who had had , previously, Intacs. The intra corneal rings segments didn't work properly and, these people, had a very poor visula acuity and couldn't even wear contact lenses. They had the Intacs removed and, after some months, I perfomed mini ARK.


They are now satisfied both for the KC and the visual acuity.


One more thing.


I have seen, as dr. Lombardi, that the corneal thickness increses after two or three years after Mini ARK.


This is a very important fact because it means that the cornea is much more heathy and that the pathological factor that brought the cornea to become " keratoconic" has been removed.


Many people, doctors and skeptical, say that this improvement will not last for ever. This is a superficial affirmation because Mini ARK has been performed for more than eleven years and, in the first patients, it is still working properly.


Does anyone of the members knows any other surgical technique that can do the same?


Dr. Marco Abbondanza 



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marco abbondanza


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Date: Sun Feb 6 12:54 AM, 2005
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Good night I have to correct the last assertion of Dott.Abbondanza when he says that the mini-ARK works becouse "has been removed the factor that caused the Kc,progression",it is absolutly wrong because nothing has been removed during the surgery,at the contrary has been changed the vectorial direction of the biomechanical forces implied in the "explosive progression" of the Kc.


The only factor that ,to day,by my group of researchers has been removed is the Pat.Agent.and not using a surgical approach,but a bioelectronic method.


Any way this "superficial and wrong" explanation explains very clearly "Who is WHO" and who has in fact ideated the mini-ARK,thanks Dott.Abbondanza for continuing to show your real face to the "Public" with your continous "Autogoals",more you try to show that "also you exist" more you cut continous poor figures with your empty "know how" and your superficiality and presumption.


Prof.Massimo Lombardi



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Date: Sun Feb 6 2:09 PM, 2005
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Good morning to everybody and to dr. Lombardi too.


First of all I would like to talk ( in this and in other forum too) about KC and about the its possible therapies.


I think that it's a waste of time to have to talk about other things like personal facts and personal hostility.


When I was talking about the removal of the pathogenic factor using Mini ARK I ment that, with this surgery, we have corrected many wrong factors that "helps" the cornea in thinning and steepening. I didn't talk about other things that I do not know and that, therefore, I cannot judge.


Many people has been operated with Mini ARK during the last ten years and they  are still stable with their corneal parameters ( K reading, thickness and visual acuity). I have operated several hundreds op KCers and dr. Lombardi too has operated so many people affected by KC. Untill last year even dr. Lombardi was not using, as far as I know, any other kind of therapy and, notwithstandig this fact, his patients were stable and happy for the outcome. I think that this mean that Mini ARK, whwn properly used, is a very satisfactory technique by itself.


Now dr. Lombardi is saying to us that he has discovered something that helps KCers in beeing much more stable than before and that, removing this factor, he is able to prevent the KC to become evident.


I am really happy if something will be able to prevent the pathology and I am waiting dr. Lombardi data about this new technique. I will be very pleased to know something new about KC and I hope that he will share, with me and with other doctors, his knowledge on this factor.


I would like, one more time, if dr. Lombardi and I could write and talk in this forum, without fighting because, I know for sure, that it is not useful for all the people who is partecipating to it.


Dr. Marco Abbondanza



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Date: Sun Feb 6 5:44 PM, 2005
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Dear Dr. Abbondanza,


I disagree, I feel that it is very important that both you and Prof. Lombardi discuss the evolution of mini ark here (This is one of the few places where you can). Although discussion on Keratoconus itself is very important... So are the people behind its treatment. You have a very different view on the discovery of mini ark than Prof. Lombardi. As I have said to you in the past, you cannot both be telling the truth. If we cannot trust in the doctors that perform mini ark then people may be more hesitant to evaluate it in the first place. The truth as I understand it in this case is one that can be twisted by the manipulation of words... there is no place for shadows here, answers need to be black or white.


Hari  



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Date: Sun Feb 6 7:12 PM, 2005
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Hy Hari,


maybe I have not been ckear enough.


I have not said that I will not read and write on this forum.


I have only expressed my thought, that is that I would like to talk about KC and possible therapies and not about personal facts.


If dr. Lombardi has new thoughts and discoveries about KC I will be very happy to listen at him and, possibly, to learn something new.


If something new really exists I will be happy to learn it and to share this new knowledge with my patients.


I know that dr. Lombardi wants to wait to unreveal his discovery and i will, patiently, wait until he will give to other doctors data and statistics.


I would like to have a place where it is possible to listen to  KCers problems ,in order to better qualify my private practice, and , if I can, to help people who have a problem.


I agree with you when you say that doctors shouldn't fight each other and I will try to follow this way.


Dr. Marco Abbondanza



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Date: Sun Feb 6 8:41 PM, 2005
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Hello Dr. Abbondanza,


With all due respect I think it is you that have misunderstood me. I never said that doctors should not fight each other. What I did say is that you SHOULD discuss the personal interest you have in the birth of mini ark and that once and for all the topic can be made clear. It makes no sence to me to avoid what is a very important aspect of mini ark... its creation. If we are to truely move forward and inform others of this technique then a solid platform of truth must first be put in place.


I do not believe that this should distract from the important task of asking and answering questions related to the treatment and substance of Keratoconus, but I do think that this forum is a perfect arena for you to clearly explain the division of truth that exists between you and Prof. Lombardi. This is not intended to create tension or chaos between you two doctors, but I only have the internet as a tool to work with and need to see both sides of the debate before the truth will become evident.


To often the friction that exists between medical practices is fought out behind closed doors without the input of the most important factor, we the patient. We can step up and recieve our treatment on face value or we can endevour to sift through to a possible alternate approuch... This is why clarification of the truth is so important.


Hari



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Date: Tue Apr 12 1:05 PM, 2005
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What is the Truth about Keratoconus...Well you can find it in all posts here....that the headline figure (as seen in "adversiments" on the front page of KC sites) of 90% is very mis-leading (I think patients should be the ones deciding if a transplant has been successful or not...when a doner cornea is put in to the hole made for it...it is called successful??...what about the vision?...what about the need for contact lenses afterwards?..when you was intolerant before the transplant?)....and the bad aspects of rigid lens wear (more so flat fitting ones) is only now being acknowledged after many battles which was won by us against the establishment to get the right information out so that better solutions can be seeked out for unsuspecting patients... The reason for the hardship we face?...My friends it is due to people having invested interestes...I'll put it another way...MONEY!! ...These invested interests come in the form of money making charities/non-profit/for-profit organisations who report to have our best interests at heart!!!...Including the medical community who give out mis-leading information that contacts stop or regress kc for their own selfish reasons!! There is always safer option for you! .....and together we are stronger!

-- Edited by QuintriX at 00:28, 2005-05-23

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